There were more deaths from all causes in homes in each month of 2020 than in a normal year, according to new data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), as treatment waiting lists and the “protect the NHS” drive kept patients away from hospitals. The Times has the story.
A total of 166,576 deaths in private homes from all causes were registered in 2020, compared with an average of 125,255 between 2015 and 2019, according to the ONS.
This means there were 41,321 extra deaths, or “excess deaths”, in private homes during the year, although Covid was responsible for 8% of the total.
The majority of deaths in 2020 where coronavirus was the main cause occurred in hospitals and care homes. In contrast, many deaths from other causes, such as breast cancer and prostate cancer, happened in private homes, to people who in a non-pandemic year would probably have died elsewhere, such as in hospital.
The figures show that deaths from diabetes in private homes were 60% higher in 2020 compared with the average for 2015-19, while those from heart disease and Parkinson’s disease were both up 66%.
For dementia and Alzheimer’s disease, deaths were up 65%, with increases of 44% and 37% for prostate cancer and breast cancer respectively…
The rise in deaths in private homes comes amid concern that during the pandemic people have not been receiving the medical attention for serious illnesses they would have in normal circumstances. In the early stages of the pandemic GPs and hospitals reported a drop in the number of patients and urged people to contact their doctor if they had a health issue.
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A consequence of the terrible fear propaganda. No reassurance has been given, just fear mongering. Why wouldn’t this be a consequence.
An important point.
It is well known that you do not deal with a public health problem by engendering panic.
If you do create hysteria – you are clearly not interested in public health.
Just received an invitation from Biobank to take part in an antibody study, where I would do a self-test, with the following:
“Please do not be alarmed if you have been vaccinated and receive a negative antibody result – you are still protected” … lolz
How does that sit with the constant propaganda that having the vaccine doesn’t mean you can stop following the “rules” and that you can still pass the virus on? It’s all BS.
You had COVID. Are You immune? Vaccine Yes or No? – YouTube
Explains
Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to 8 months after infection | Science (sciencemag.org)
The answer would seem to be yes and it is all down to “memory” cells that recognise the virus and create fresh new responses to counter it.
Yes, you had Covid, you have immunity, long lasting.
Should you risk an experimental, emergency licensed novel vaccine as well?
Only if you love pharmaceutical company shareholders better than yourself.
According to the ONS report, if you take away deaths due to Covid, then there were almost no excess deaths i.e. people died at home rather than in hospital, but there were no more deaths total.
This is a point that is never clearly discussed or laid out in these reports of excess deaths at home. I’m always unsure if they are referring to excess deaths nationally with more happening at home than usual or simply the fact that more are happening at home?
As MTF says, I think the implication is that a “normal” number of people died, just at home rather than in hospital. Doesn’t sound plausible to me, surely being in hospital rather than at home would have saved at least some lives?
If that was the case then hospitals would in many instances be useless. I can buy that actually, but what I can’t buy is the idea that all this dysfunction hasn’t killed anyone.
I expect you right, but it is not simple – was the extraordinarily low flu season down the lockdown, or just a coincidence? It is also not clear which non-Covid deaths were down to Covid and which were down to the response. It was Covid that stressed the NHS (for example took away my specialist cancer nurse) not the lockdown. If you believe lockdowns help reduce Covid infection rates then the if there had been no lockdown the number of deferred cancer ops etc would have been even greater.
That is an interesting discussion. There were some non-Covid excess deaths (534,000 compared to 5-year average of 532,000) so I suppose this might have been due to not being in hospital. However, that is pretty negligible. It makes you think. As you get close to death it is routine and expected to go to hospital, but maybe in the vast majority of cases it makes little difference or just defers the death by hours or days. I am not sure how you could approach this statistically.
I think it is pretty unambiguous (although a fair way down the report): “The total number of deaths not due to COVID-19 in 2020 (534,000) was only slightly higher than the average for 2015 to 2019 (532,000) in England and Wales.”
There is no way of knowing ‘deaths due to Covid’. So ‘deaths not due to Covid’, by definition, cannot be known.
It’s so easy to drift into the Covidiot framework if you’re not careful.
What can be said is that there were more deaths at home than usual. Simple. Factual.
… and that raises questions about total mortality.
Do you think doctors are so incompetent they don’t know what their patient died of?
there’s a whole heap many doctors don’t know. It’s dangerous to put them on a pedestal. They aren’t known for their critical thinking ability, as the last 14 months has highlighted.
So do we ignore all the other diagnoses of cause of death? Should we just throw away all those statistics on influenza, cancer etc because actually doctors are diagnosing cause of death wrongly on a massive scale.
I think it’s time for a complete overhaul of the health system.
I see, thanks!
Deaths”with” a positive test result (within 28 days of said test), or without a positive test result but mentioned on a person’s death certificate by a doctor who may never have even seen the patient but decides on the basis of a some of the symptoms the person reportedly had.if they died of cancer or heart attack or stroke or accident etc etc, no matter, it goes down as a covid death if it meets aforementioned criteria. We will never know how many people actually died due to covid because the reporting and hence data are so corrupted.
One thing to come out the data associated with this report is that the vast majority of deaths where Covid is the underlying cause were in hospital (50,544 in hospital, 3,221 at home). Do you think a hospital doctor is going to sign off the a person’s death certificate with Covid as the underlying cause just on the basis of “some symptoms the person reportedly had”. At the very least they are going to look at the medical record since that person arrived in hospital, in a very large proportion of cases they are going to be one of the doctors who has been treating that person.
I should have included deaths in care homes: 18,911. This is a professional setting so you would hope the death certificate was filled in well but obviously a bit less certain than hospital.
“Professional setting”? I’d imagine many who died in care homes were never even seen by a GP in the weeks before they died.
We aren’t talking about the care they got before they died, but the accuracy of the death certificate. Death certificates have to be filled in by a doctor (under some circumstances it can be someone of equivalent status e.g. retired doctor) and if they have not attended the patient prior to death then they have to indicate that on the certificate. So it is not trivial. Some doctors may not do it responsibly but it is a big assumption to assume it is being done badly on a significant scale. And remember the majority of deaths were in hospital.
I am specifically talking about deaths at home, as I have already pointed out. Many people die without having been seen by a doctor in the days beforehand. So any assumption of cause of death by the GP is just that. An assumption. Answer me this: how many post mortems have been carried out in the uk over the past 14 months? Deaths at home, in care homes or in hospital. It’s all been a f***ing guess by doctors.
As we have seen from this data deaths at home are a very small proportion of Covid deaths.
I have no idea how many post mortems have been carried out but it doesn’t need a post mortem to diagnose the cause of death!
None. They’ve been banned almost everywhere in the world this past year.
Doctors were not even required to view the deceased let alone see the, in life. Never has death certification been so corrupted.
Doctors have known this charade wasn’t as advertised for a year. I blame them for not gathering & speaking out. I know I would have.
I know from personal experience that getting a doctor out during ‘the time of covid’ has been pretty much impossible, even at the end of life. I also have family and friends who work in care homes and They have all can said that no one has been visited by a Doctor prior to their death. Everything has been done ‘remotely’. Like the Do Not Resuscitate disgrace it is a scandal of massive scale.
I was talking about deaths at home, where the person hasn’t recently had a covid test.
Symptoms are wholly irrelevant. The death attribution rules were altered only for Covid19 so if your patient has had a positive test in preceding 28d, you put Covid on the death certificate. No clinical judgment required.
Yes true, this was ‘condoned’ by the WHO early on. As I said in a previous post I don’t know ANYBODY who has managed to see a doctor before they died this year. Shocking.
ebygum and Mike Yeadon
Please see BMA guidance on filling in the death certificate during Covid 19. https://www.bma.org.uk/media/2843/bma-verification-of-death-vod-july-2020.pdf.
There is no mention of having to specify Covid as underlying cause if there has been a positive test in the last 28 days. Perhaps the UK ignored the WHO rules? If we had followed the WHO rules why bother publishing separate statistics on “Covid on death certificate” as opposed to “died with 28 days of positive test”?
It is true that the certifying doctor can sign without having seen the patient by video or in person in the last 28 days if they see the patient in person after death. In all other cases the death has to be referred to the coroner, firing off an investigation into cause of death. However, we now know that the majority of cases where COvid is underlying cause of death are in hospital where it seems incredibly unlikely the patient died without seeing a doctor.
PS I assume you both are aware of the distinction between “an underlying cause of death” and “mentioned on death certificate”?
Underlying cause? i.e died from dementia, tested positive for corona, so it’s an underlying cause, but may not have had anything to do with the death? There have been lots of Doctors who have admitted they’ve put covid on a death certificate without knowing whether that was the cause of death or not, Dr Malcolm Kendrick admitted this months ago, due to no one having a clue what was a death by, with or from!
The ‘rules’ have been so confusing and the data so corrupted no one will ever know.
The WHO themselves said that, ‘COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate as the cause of death for ALL decedents death where the disease, or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death i.e Covid-19 is the underlying cause of death.’
If that isn’t a vague statement for you I don’t know what to say!
“deaths due to Covid” Again : unknown. You might stick in an ‘allegedly’.
Well we have discovered from this data that the “alleging” is done mainly by doctors in hospitals – plus a significant contribution from care home staff. Do you really think they are so incompetent?
You’re either foolish or of 77th.
There are two sides to this.
Deaths which could have been avoided if they had sought/received medical care.
And some people were at the end of their lives anyway and would otherwise have died in hospital, maybe kept alive for the sake of keeping them alive a few days longer.
Dying has been “contracted out” to a hospital setting, and is therefor an abstract process, especially for the younger generation. Maybe for some families it has been a good thing to have their loved one at home, when in the years before they would have been persuaded that a hospital setting was the right place for someone to die.
Of course for those people and their families who died at home as they were either too scared to go into hospital or “did not want to burden the staff who are all so busy looking after covid patients” this is a horrible circumstance.
I con’t remember people being told to contact their GP if they were ill.
I remember GPs bolting their surgery doors and telling sick people to stay away.
The fascinating thing was that the GP lock-up, with what must have been fabulously expensive security measures, wasn’t undertaken until after deaths had receded to below average levels.
The gp surgery on Eaves lane, Chorley shut before even the first lockdown and has never reopened. I’m assuming it’s closed for good. Still has the stupid ‘due to Covid, temporarily closed’ sign on the door though.
Mine too. I’ve every expectation that the practice management is trying to establish telephone consultations as the “new normal” and the recently (and expensively) refurbished surgery premises will be repurposed in some way.
Our lot just spent an arm and a leg building a new “community centre” for the old folks. It opened a couple of days before the lockdown and hasn’t been used since
Correct Annie. I have a friend who works in a care home and has lost all faith in local doctors as none of them would come out to diagnose anything, even end-of-life care.
I am sure this is the same for people in their own homes. The usual route for people to get to hospital is through their doctor and that has just not been happening. People have literally died waiting for their doctor to give them a telephone examination two weeks next Tuesday! Shocking.
People were initially told to stay at home if they got what they thought were Covid symptoms ‘because most people recover’; Do Not go to A&E, Do Not go to your GP Surgery and only if you got really ill phone 111 (itself a cumbersome process) so that by the time they did arrive at hospital they might already have been Covid ill for some days and were denied early intervention (which is probably why early hospital death rates were higher than than they were subsequently).
The implication that it’s the stupid plebs’ fault for not seeking medical attention when it was needed, because they were too afraid. While that may be true for some people (the being too afraid they might catch something in hospital bit, for which there have been some reasonable concerns), many people have been actively kept out of hospital and go surgeries, or sent home from hospital prematurely. And because the nhs execs do what they’re told to by the government like the good little lap dogs they are, the government are ultimately responsible for many if not most of these extra “non-covid” deaths. That included suicides.
Gp surgeries, obvs
See Ukcolumn news (yesterday’s) for ONS stats on death. Only ‘at home’ has been consistently above 5 yr average throughout the Plandemic. Obviously as a result of lockdowns. They are killing us off one way or another.
I agree – it’s all going to plan. Die of neglect or be poisoned.
I don’t understand many of the comments on this thread. It seems simple to me. There were roughly 1000 excess deaths in houses (not care homes) EVERY WEEK throughout the lockdown until recently (I haven’t seen figures since mid-April 21). These people did not have covID. If you can’t breathe you go to hospital for oxygen. My question is: if you take those out of the age adjusted average ALL CAUSE MORTALITY figures which were slightly raised (but not more than happens every couple of decades), do you even have ANY excess deaths due to covID? Or do you just get the flu/pneumonia replaced with covID, due to an average age of death of 82 (and/or 2-3 co-morbidities) and it therefor is in fact a BIG NOTHING BURGER? All for a reset. SMH.
There were no ‘excess’ deaths – it’ a nonsense concept. I’m sick of seeing this abuse of language – just because, like ‘sadlidied’ it’s been incorporated into the sloppy vocabulary of the shit-show.
There were deaths above or below the long-term mean or median.
MURDERED BY JOHNSON’S POLICY…More were killed by lockdown and restrictions than from the stupid weak covid.
..They all belong behind bars. or preferably, hung!
This is genocide plainly. When are the government going to be held to account?
They discouraged anyone going for treatments,SWINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
And many others knew that if they go there,they would automatically say they have covid. So they were afraid of dying there without family members present…this is totally evil..the bastard Johnson must be charged with crimes against humanity..
Stats produced weekly and daily; some by NHS , some by ONS, some UK, Some England and Wales. Never before do they roll through a year end, always stop, get cumulated for comparison purposes.
It takes hours to be certain you are comparing apples with apples rather than pears.
Iain Davis has done this analysis for so-called covid deaths, he has had to make certain assumptions, but they are transparent and reasonable.
Result; up to but no more than 20,000 deaths in England and Wales from covid in 2020.
Highish flu season numbers, but not that remarkable.
Exactly. I’m waiting for a few more weeks’ all-cause data before updating more comprehensively, but the 2019-2020 infection season (including the April spike) lay at the ~75th centile of the quarter century (a quarter to one third of a representative run of years had higher mortality). As you say – not at all remarkable in historical terms.
Fuck**g lockdown killed far more than the stupid covid-And they know it.
If someone was dying you kept them at home because you weren’t allowed to visit them in hospital.
Would be one factor. There must be many terrible stories still to be told.
It’s taken my brother 12 months to get a diagnosis for potential prostate cancer. He has private medical insurance but couldn’t use it as the NHS had comandeered all the private hospitals in our area, and promptly closed them as no need. My brother also is bipolar one, the worst kind. A year of worrying that he had cancer has added greatly to his anxiety. He finally managed to access private care, but over 200 miles away, and the hospital insisted on a Covid negative test one week before his surgical procedure, which they also insisted had to be done at the hospital, not locally here. That meant a 400 mile round trip for a test that could have been done on his doorstep. He’s lucky that the tumour is benign, but if it hadn’t been, a delay of a year would have progressed the disease undoubtedly terminally.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame the dead for this one. I know a lot of covid crazy people but I don’t think ANY of them would consider avoiding hospital treatment or asking their GP for help. I think some of them would kinda like the excitement of taking a covid test in hospital. A close family member had to go to A&E a few months ago and remarked that it was actually much faster and efficient even though it was a weekend, mainly because it wasn’t clogged up drunks and tramps.
Anyway, I think that there is another NHS scandal behind this – they have been the ones not treating people and not admitting them to hospital if needed. Not by scaring people away but just by telling GPs not to do it or closing their wards altogether. So these excess deaths at home are their fault, not the victims.